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Japanese Study Methods Review - 8 Dec, 2008

Posted on 08 Dec 2008 by Chris
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To keep myself focused and constantly reviewing my learning methods I’ve decided to write a post each week or so and discuss with you all about your own study methods (there’s a poll at the bottom of this page). I’ve also set up a learning Japanese page to gradually piece together a working path through learning Japanese.

Remembering the Kanji

This week was the first week of Remembering the Kanji. I’d previously studied the book but it was at the peak of my burnout and I suddenly stopped. I picked the book up again recently and aimed to study 20-30 kanji a day. At first they will all be new kanji, but eventually those kanji will need revising again, so I expect my progress to slow after the first 5 days or so. I’ve set myself a target of learning all 2042 kanji in 3 months. We’ll see if it’s obtainable. For this I use the excellent site Reviewing the Kanji as well as Google Docs where I keep a spreadsheet of my progress. This can be viewed and downloaded on my Learning Japanese page if you wish to use it for yourself.

Reviewing the kanji


Failed is red, untested is blue, unexpired (tested) is green and expired is orange.

Here’s how I got started:

Day 1
  • Morning
    • Study new kanji
      • Draw the kanji in my mind
      • Make up my own story for it, or use Heisigs, and add it to the site. I find it works better if I use my own stories.
      • Read the story over in my mind
      • Practice drawing the kanji a couple of times whilst thinking of the story
      • Move on to the next kanji.
  • Evening
    • Review the untested kanji
      • Each time I fail any kanji I do a quick re-study when the kanji is revealed
    • Study new kanji
Day 2
  • Morning
    • Go through the failed kanji stack.
      • I go a little further with this by holding my hand over the left side of the screen where the kanji and story appears and I try to recall the kanji. If I can’t remember it from the keyword I reveal the story. If I still can’t remember it I spend a while relearning it. That’s why I re-study it when I fail it, it gives me a chance to test myself again before the kanji are added into the green (unexpired) stack.
    • Study new kanji
  • Evening
    • Review the new kanji
    • Study new kanji
Day 3
  • Now cards will begin to expire. This means they move from the green stack to the orange stack. These cards should be reviewed at the same time as reviewing new kanji. So far I have cut down my new kanji from 20-30 to 10-20 and made sure I review at least 10 kanji. I’ll gradually increase this to find the best number to review without overdoing it.

After the 5th day I was in to a routine and I’m now on 110 kanji. I broke out of my routine this weekend though. I had a lot on and slept in… So on Monday I failed a lot of kanji! I’ve halted learning new kanji for Monday and I’m focusing on relearning those I’ve failed. It just goes to show you should keep doing it every day no matter what!

Minus the mess up at the weekend this routine is working really well for me. Sometimes I only study 10-15 kanji a day, but I don’t beat myself up over it, I just keep going and try for 20-30 the next day. The key is to keep the momentum going, don’t stop completely or you will find it much more difficult to get started again!

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Comments
  • k
    systematic. ^^. keep it up. like you said, once you lose momentum, it's going to be hard to move again. newton's first law of motion applies!

    writing a post like this often is an added incentive! 頑張ってね!
  • Thanks for the comment Ken. I like to be organized and use my time as best as possible. I'm a big fan of lists ^^

    To become fluent I think it's important to be systematic and build the practice in to your daily routine. Especially so if you live outside of Japan. You can learn the daily language by living in Japan without doing much study, but I think it would take a very, very long time to become fluent that way (if at all).
  • Wow, 2042 in 3 months, great goal Chris, all the best with it. Nice idea for a regular post too, keep it up.
  • Thanks Neil. I already think I might not make it, but I need a goal to aim for so I'm sticking with it.

    Once the 3 months are up I'll reassess where I'm at and set a new goal. I'll have done 3 months worth of learning kanji, so there's no loss :)
  • Good luck, Chris!

    There are some excellent graded readers available at Kinokuniya in Shinjuku (east exit) that will help you get your quick-reading skills up to snuff. Might be willing to let you borrow a set of mine.

    Let me know.
  • Cheers Billy, I'll go take a look!
  • good luck Chris. You have inspired me to start learning kanji as well
  • Jamaipanese, good luck to you also! Let me know how you get on.
  • Best of luck! I tried Remembering the Kanij a while ago, but stopped because it wasn't directly helpful to my JLPT revision (recognition and readings, not writing is important). I might give it another try though, especially now that I have learnt a whole host of new words.
  • Interesting. I myself learn about 25 Kanji per week, that's the speed we're currently using at the university. I don't think I'd be able to learn many more each week since I have lots of other stuff to learn. I'm quite satisfied with this speed for now, but it'll probably increase in the future.

    Your goal is very high, it's probably doable, but definitely not easy. I don't think that speed would be good for me though, I wouldn't use most of those Kanjis in a long time since my Japanese in general isn't that good yet. So I would just forget them. I think it's better to have a lower speed in the beginning and learn the Kanjis that you can actually use in text on a basic level.

    Well anyways, good luck!
  • @yonasu: I've quickly found that I learn best at around 10 kanji a day. Any more than that and I forget a lot. I'll post a review on Monday with a bit more about it.
  • At first I did 10 or 20 kanji a day. Then, I had a lot of free time during summer vacation, so I did 100 new kanji a day for the second half of the book...it was a lot of work, but it was really nice to finish quickly
  • Brian
    Hey Chris,
    Haven't seen your kanji study spreadsheet updated. did you burn out on that??? I won't believe it.

    I too started studying about 3 years ago(in a classroom setting), got burned out when they started in on the Kanji with on and kun readings and meanings and compounds, I said "what is this craziness"

    But now started back in on my own with Pimsleur for speaking (great series in my opinion) which relies on spaced recognition system for very efficient language acquisition.

    I started listening to Japanesepop101 but the only thing I don't like is that they seem to have too much english commentary during the lesson. Maybe this is reassuring to beginners but it seems to pull me out of the japanese mode, and seems to water down the lesson too much. I love their enthusiasm for the lessons but...

    I had previously seen RTK but brushed it off as too intense, now however I am committed to it. I totally believe in his system(and have used it sort of subconsciously in the past anyway) and am working through 10 kanji per day.

    I use http://kanji.koohii.com/ for online review and study.
    Then I use Anki for a second level of review offline, relying on its spacing for the cards as opposed to Koohi's more linear approach.

    Right now I usually only do review in the evening for about an hour total. I typically do the following
    - learn the 10 new kanji (read the story and write the character once or twice)
    - flip through the old kanji I've seen as sort of a quick refresher
    - * go do something else like check email for 20 min
    at kanji.koohi.com:
    - Review failed kanji
    - Review 10 new Kanji
    - review currently passed kanji

    then go do other stuff again for 30min
    Use Anki for review

    Again, I highly recommend Pimsleur for others trying to learn speaking/understandin on your own. if you stick with the 30min lessons every day you can make good progress without getting burned out.


    Kanji Stroke Order drawings:
    I also was looking for Kanji character stroke diagrams since I tend to cheat a lot on that. Here is a great place to input a character and have it quickly show you the drawing and a sample handwriting. Just copy and paste your choice of character in the spot in the url where 'Dr.' is now

    http://www.yamasa.cc/ocjs/kanjidic.nsf/SortedBy...
  • Brian
    oops, that should be japanesepod101 and also the kanji in the URL is actually 'stubborn' but you get the idea.
  • Brian, thanks for the comment and insight into your own methods.

    It was more a combination of distractions and burnout that stopped me learning kanji this time. For some it's possible to do 10-20 kanji a day, but I've learned that it just doesn't work for me and my situation. I wasn't quite burnt out but my brother visited me and the change in routine made me lose all momentum and stop completely...

    However it was not all wasted time, I've learned that, for me, the kanji is something to be studied long term, rather than within a year. I'm focusing more on the speaking and listening now, and I also recommend Pimsleur and JapanesePod101 (I agree about there being too much English).

    I have a big update for this site in the works, and I will be writing an article this week on my lack of progress with the kanji spreadsheet and what I've learned.
  • Digger
    I supposes most people reading this have already learned the kana--the best method I found was to convert sample paragraphs from my textbooks into kana and vice versa. Of course, you don't cover all the kana equally using this method (some kana aren't used that much), but it sure beats copying them over and over and you expose yourself to some grammar and vocabulary while you're at it.

    I recommend picking a method that is reasonably productive and doesn't bore you.
  • Ash
    Chris, I just stumbled upon your blog from Google while looking for resources for learning Japanese, and I have bookmarked it for future reference, and perhaps a pick-me-up when I get frustrated with my own efforts at learning this challenging, yet beautiful language.

    With that said, I admire your determination! It's very encouraging and helps others stay determined, too. However, I think that solely concentrating on memorising kanji using flashcards is not as effective as memorisation via writing as well. I have already factored Anki into my learning method, but I have recently started taking kanji that I know in Anki, finding words that use those kanji, typing the words out in a word processor, printing them out and tracing over them in pen or pencil. I have found that this method (learning kanji in the context of real Japanese vocabulary rather than just as a series of characters) really increased my speed of information retention - since I'm using the muscle memory that my hands build up through writing, and using that to reinforce what my brain already knows.

    For example, I recently learned the word "kengaku" which means "to study by observation". Surprisingly, for such a complex-sounding word in English, it's made up of two kanji that Japanese children learn in their first year of school! I trace over each kanji in the word while saying out loud the part of the word that the kanji relates to, and this helps me to hear it, see it, write it and remember it all in one go. After I finish tracing, I get out another sheet, put away my tracing sheet, and try and write the word out from memory, along with its pronunciation in kana and its meaning.

    This method has definitely increased the effectiveness of my study time, and it has decreased my failure rate dramatically. However, the (potential) downside is that you do need to know a kanji's stroke order before you start writing any words with that kanji, but there are many ways to learn stroke orders. There are diagrams available online, as Brian has said above, but my personal favourites are either my newly-acquired DS game, "Tadashii Kanji Kakitori-kun: Kondo wa Kanken Taisaku Da Yo!!" or a software program called ReadWrite Kanji by Declan Software, which I have owned for some time now. I think that program is Windows-only though, so if you run Mac OS or Linux, I don't know what alternatives there are for those platforms. (By the way, I primarily bought the DS game so that I could learn on-the-go, or on holiday, or wherever I carry my DS, which is amazingly convenient.)

    Best wishes, and good luck with your studying!
  • Hi Ash,

    Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
    I have that DS game too, and it's good fun to use. I agree about writing it down. I even write it in the air sometimes, since there isn't each stroke on paper I have to keep the image of all the strokes in my mind and I have found that really helps.

    Now I just need to keep going with it. I had another "break" last week and it makes it more difficult to pick it up again.
  • Wow, 2042 Kanji in 3 months. Good luck!

    At the university I'm going through 700++ in 4 months and my friends and I are suffocating. There are many new Kanji to learn when they combine with another Kanji so they create a new sound and meaning and so on. To me, it feels like a never-ending process.

    The problem I'm facing is I remember Kanji perfectly well for a few days, then I forget! Mostly I can read but it is much, much harder to remember how to write.

    But I think it's really good to have a goal. Keep it up. I wish you the best of luck!
  • Thanks Natta. I've now changed my goal to 1 hour kanji study a day. I was having the same problems as you so I'm taking the longer term approach. It's working a lot better for me this way. There's less pressure to do a certain number of kanji a day and it feels less like a job and more fun!
  • rocketmanblamb
    Ahh, keep in mind that I believe Chris is using the RTK(Remembering the Kanji) method by Heisig which focus on basic character recognition associated with only a single *english* meaning. So it is not the total learing of on/kun reading and kanji in combination.
  • Yep I'm using RTK. It's a great foundation for learning kanji, but only a small part of the process.

    I never did reach my goal, it was a little unrealistic for me. Real life tends to get in the way. So taking it more slowly now, with room for a bit of flexibility!
  • rocketmanblamb
    I too got stuck after about 150... got distracted and lost focus on doing even reviews with Anki...

    But the good thing is that I picked right back up with Anki and while I have forgotten some kanji there are quite a lot that are pretty well stuck in long term memory now. So, on to review and gently pushing forward.

    Also, try using timeboxing (picking small(even tiny!) intervals to study in) so as to not overcommit and get burned out or overwhelmed.

    がんばってね!
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